If Trump wins, the first crime of his second term will be committing perjury—when he swears to defend the Constitution. Plus, Republicans aren’t really looking for a deal on the border: They’re trying to rationalize abandoning Ukraine. David Frum joins Charlie Sykes.
0:00 – Intro
1:49 – Volodymyr Zelenskyy in Washington DC
4:03 – Biden’s Proposal to Republicans on Border Security and Military Aid
10:52 – What Happens to Ukraine if No Military Aid?
14:38 – Danger of Trump 2.0
19:28 – Trump 2.0’s Cabinet
23:37 – Trump on Day One Would Be Committing Perjury
26:39 – Can Trump Pardon Himself?
27:39 – Jack Smith Request for Supreme Court Ruling on Immunity
32:26 – Trump Plans to Dismantle Intelligence Agencies
35:27 – Political World Differing from Day to Day Life
41:28 – Generational Gap in Identity Politics
44:54 – Harm that Can’t be Undone With Trump 2.0
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